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Sen Line Theory
Hi everyone!
This is a follow-up to an earlier thread started by Jo Jensen and replied to by various members including Enrique Dianti.
The discussion was a sharing of interpretations and personal meanings to the whole concept of energy lines, or Sib Sen.
Jo suggested qualities for the lines such as 'depth' of the line (below the surface of the skin). She eloquently referred to the lines as being ribbons cutting a plane through the body, or being hollow like a straw or indeed like a web. She suggested that maybe they are not in the body at all. Enrique, in his reply, suggested the Sib Sen to be 'pathways', three-dimensional and columns of light.
To continue this line of discussion, I would like to put the following question out to all members.
Do you think the running of energy lines is confined to the limits of the physical body?
In this respect, I'm talking about the 'length' of an energy line.
We are taught, in most classes, that Sib Sen 'start' in the feet and end in the head - or indeed vise-versa.
But do you really think that the energy in an energy line somehow magically stops when it reaches the outer limit of the physical body, for example when it reaches the ends of your toes?
Do you think it is possible that the energy may continue on a bit further?
Maybe to a foot or two above the head or below the feet?
How about one of the Sib Sen, which runs through your body, continuing all the way down to 'centre-earth'?
The energy present in some of the lines runs way beyond the limit set by the boundary of the physical body. I have certainly felt this in Sumana & Ida Pingala, or in the Chinese system: UB & Kidney.
Light, or columns of light, as Enrique put it, extends way beyond the human body.
Other energy colours present in energy lines, such as black and deep purple, extend way beyond not just the human body, but also way beyond the general area around the earth.
Some people have felt that certain energy lines originate from and travel onwards to distant places such as Sirius or Betelgeuse.
If this is the case, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, then how do you treat an energy block on an energy line which runs for so long?
Can you really confine your treatment of an energy line to within the boundaries set by the physical body?
In other words, how do you treat an energy block on one of your energy lines, for example Sen Sumana, which lies outside your physical body.
Or to use a different set of terms of reference, how do you treat a block on an energy line, which originates in a past lifetime, in the present lifetime?
And also, traditionally we give energy lines the quality of running from head to toe or toe to head, what I call a north-south axis.
But what about the energy lines which run through your body from front to back?
(They exist, but as far as I know they are yet to be named)
If you want to examine practical application of therapy through manipulation of the energy lines in Thai Massage, why are we taught such a narrow view of energy and the course of energy lines?
Is it really enough to accept that the Sib Sen start in the feet and end at the crown?
By doing so, are we really in a position to offer therapy on the energy lines?
How can you drive a car if you've only been taught where the gear stick is?
This is a follow-up to an earlier thread started by Jo Jensen and replied to by various members including Enrique Dianti.
The discussion was a sharing of interpretations and personal meanings to the whole concept of energy lines, or Sib Sen.
Jo suggested qualities for the lines such as 'depth' of the line (below the surface of the skin). She eloquently referred to the lines as being ribbons cutting a plane through the body, or being hollow like a straw or indeed like a web. She suggested that maybe they are not in the body at all. Enrique, in his reply, suggested the Sib Sen to be 'pathways', three-dimensional and columns of light.
To continue this line of discussion, I would like to put the following question out to all members.
Do you think the running of energy lines is confined to the limits of the physical body?
In this respect, I'm talking about the 'length' of an energy line.
We are taught, in most classes, that Sib Sen 'start' in the feet and end in the head - or indeed vise-versa.
But do you really think that the energy in an energy line somehow magically stops when it reaches the outer limit of the physical body, for example when it reaches the ends of your toes?
Do you think it is possible that the energy may continue on a bit further?
Maybe to a foot or two above the head or below the feet?
How about one of the Sib Sen, which runs through your body, continuing all the way down to 'centre-earth'?
The energy present in some of the lines runs way beyond the limit set by the boundary of the physical body. I have certainly felt this in Sumana & Ida Pingala, or in the Chinese system: UB & Kidney.
Light, or columns of light, as Enrique put it, extends way beyond the human body.
Other energy colours present in energy lines, such as black and deep purple, extend way beyond not just the human body, but also way beyond the general area around the earth.
Some people have felt that certain energy lines originate from and travel onwards to distant places such as Sirius or Betelgeuse.
If this is the case, and I'm not saying it is or isn't, then how do you treat an energy block on an energy line which runs for so long?
Can you really confine your treatment of an energy line to within the boundaries set by the physical body?
In other words, how do you treat an energy block on one of your energy lines, for example Sen Sumana, which lies outside your physical body.
Or to use a different set of terms of reference, how do you treat a block on an energy line, which originates in a past lifetime, in the present lifetime?
And also, traditionally we give energy lines the quality of running from head to toe or toe to head, what I call a north-south axis.
But what about the energy lines which run through your body from front to back?
(They exist, but as far as I know they are yet to be named)
If you want to examine practical application of therapy through manipulation of the energy lines in Thai Massage, why are we taught such a narrow view of energy and the course of energy lines?
Is it really enough to accept that the Sib Sen start in the feet and end at the crown?
By doing so, are we really in a position to offer therapy on the energy lines?
How can you drive a car if you've only been taught where the gear stick is?
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Permalink Reply by Enrique Dianti on -
Hi!
Let´s see..., first of all I want to tell that when I wrote about the "columns of light", I was trying to give the idea of a 3 dimensional energy, opossed to the "line" idea.
I really can´t discuss about if this energy goes outside the body, because I haven´t experienced or learned anything about this. Sure, I believe we all can talk about the energy we feel beyond the physical limits (skin), but as I want to learn about thai traditions, and not one teacher in Thailand teached anything bout this, I will just keep my focus on what my teacher teaches (wich is a lot, actually).
What I can say is that I was told that the Sen start at the navel, and runs to the finger/toes tips, and well, we start growing from our navel, and everything our mom gives comes through the navel..., so it make sence to me. This is the first time I hear that the Sen start at the feet and ends in the head, at least for the thai tradition.
I´m not meaning this is not true, just that this is the first time I hear it.
As I don´t know anything about this, I want to leave a question... If it is magical that the energy stops at the skin, wouldn´t it be magical also to stop at the center of the earth?, maybe all this are trueth, and none magical... what do you think?
Once again, when I used the columns of light reference, the one and only idea I was trying to give was the 3 dimensional, I don´t know nothing about energy colours, or how far they go, so I can´t talk about that...
My teacher introduced me in the acces points, wich are tha only way to treat the Mayor Sen. So, if we have to tell the body that a certain Sen need special atention, we can work on the specific acces point.
So, how do I treat Sumana?, well, in the body, if it goes beyond the body, I can´t treat that, but inside the body, I can..., and also about past lifes blocks (Karma?), I treat them in this life...
And well, we can acces to deep knowledge of TTM, at least this is my experience studying with my teacher.
Hugs!
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Permalink Reply by Robert Henderson on -
Hi Enrique, thanks for your reply.
As a matter of interest, who is the teacher who taught about the navel being the origin of the sen. I very much agree with this experience, but have found very few teachers in Thai Massage who teach it.
And on your very wise question about whether energy lines magically stop at the centre of the earth, in my experience they do not. They continue on! I was only using this as an example to make people think.
From my experience, I have found that the energy you send down, or 'ground' down through your feet, just goes through the earth, come out the other end and arcs back up again to come in through your crown.
As the saying goes: as above, so below
And vise versa: as below, so above.
Whatever you find under your feet is also above your head.
Whatever you find above your head is also under your feet.
And thank you also for your practical answer to treating energy lines in the body.
All we can do, as therapists, is to be as practical as is necessary. All I was doing was having some fun by pushing the boundaries out a bit further!
Take care,
Rob
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Permalink Reply by Leah Pozorski on -
Hello Robert:
Have you studied Polarity Therapy? This system is also based on Ayurveda and TTM. My Thai teacher did not discuss the boundaries of the energy lines, but to be fair the Thai class I have taken so far is only 30 hours.
As for the Thai System, I am wondering about considering the holographic model. I agree with Enrique about the access points. Holographically speaking, what ever is applied to an energy line stays with it and also beyond as the energy wave moves thru the multi-verse. I do believe that there are energy lines, columns, and fields that run up and down as well as through from front to back. Perhaps the parts that are actually in the physical body seem more dense due to the function of the chakras and the cranial sacral system. Once the energy passes through the physical body and out of the influence of the bodys electromagnetic system the lines become a little less defined and the edges a little softer.
As far as past life and other peoples energy is concerned, I have seen these as well. This subject is very big
to fully discuss, most of the work I have done or participated in relating to these realms was
has been ceremonial in nature. Past life and Entity removal or neutralization require different techniques.
As a personal belief , I don't see that the energy stops and according to my limited understanding of physics, it can not stop, but does alter frequency etc.
Thank you both .
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Permalink Reply by Robert Henderson on
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Gosh!
You have been on a journey, haven't you!!
I've never studied Polarity Therapy, not the thing you find in rural Ireland, but you never know, I might just end up somewhere and there it will be!
It's nice, though, to hear of all your experiences, especially about entity removal. I've never done it myself, although have had it done to me. A 90-year-old retired medical doctor used hand-hewn tools cut out of crystal rock to cut the arms and legs off a couple of very old spells I had on me and months later I had a dream in which a pair of dead chicken feet fell off me. I could even feel the energy alter in me around where the chicken feet had been.
It is all so fascinating, it sometimes makes me wonder where does it stop...if it even does stop.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences, I find it all so interesting.
Rob
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Permalink Reply by nemir adjina on -
Interresting points indeed! Going back again to the basic 10 day course at the Old Medicine Hospital, the teacher Wasant explained that in the old days Thai people did not know about anatomy and physiology, all they knew was that pressing here helped pain there etc. He said that now we know about nerves, blood etc, and so "energy" is nerves, blood etc (we may add fascia ), at this point an australian student was so incensed that he wrote a letter to the President of the School, telling him that there is much more to the body than blood and bones etc! I thought it was very interesting how concepts move around from culture to culture.
Does the rain know where the tree roots are?
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Permalink Reply by Robert Henderson on
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There is also the annnoying decision that every traditional Thai Massage school, who teach Farang, has to take in Thailand and that is....
If all our students are demanding references to anatomy and physiology, then what to do, what to do.
If we do nothing, then we lose students; the school loses income; we lose our jobs.
So, to keep students happy, we have to make references to anatomy and physiology.
The students (you and I) created the demand for anatomical and physiological references.
The schools replied by filling that demand.
And now we are complaining about that too!
The poor Old Medicine Hospital - it can never win!
Sometimes all we do is act like a bunch of headless chickens!
Confusion! Confusion! (as Pichest would say).
If he has his stick, he'd hit us all with it.
Pok Pok!
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